Here are the final results from the "Roll Dem Bones" Fantasy event on 1-23-10. Congrats to the winners and hope all had a good time. We have a fantasy/40k team tourney on 1-30-10 in Annandale Va. Check the tournament section to find out more and to sign up.

The score below are the total of all 3 rounds plus your extra points from the sign off sheet.


1st Josh O-Orcs 74
2nd Alex Schmid_Vampire Counts 70
3rd Travis Weyforth-Lizardmen 68
4th Martin Ryder-Dark Elves 66
5th Mike Ludwig-Skaven 61
6th Lincoln Tidwell-Warriors 60
7th Joe Nuth-Warriors 53
8th Justin Cook-Warriors 50
9th John Reinhard-Warriors 50
10th Josh Austin-Warriors 46
11th Brent Donahue-Deamons 43
12th Matt Lorah-Warriors 43
13th Ted Adams-Deamons 40
14th Steve Schaffer-Vampire Counts 35
15th Lance Jensen-Orges 34
16th Keenan Mann-High Elves 34
17th Jim Porter-Empire 32
18th Joe O-Skaven 31
19th Dave Oue-Lizardmen 28
20th Greg Appel-Dark Elves 24
21st Bill Goodrck-Wood Elf 23
22nd Kevin Burkowski-High Elves 21
23rd Jason Goad-Dwarfs 20
24th Matt Reichert-Dark Elves 19
25th Hutton-Wood Elves 15
26th Liz Hellwig-Orcs 12
27th Tim Horwath-Dwarfs 10
28th Trevor Sesvold-Skaven 3

Here are the painting scores. remember that Inner Circle will be moving towards fully painted fully based tournaments, so get those armies painted.

Painting Results

Tim Horwath-Dwarfs 5
Joe Nuth-Warriors 11
Josh Austin-Warriors 15
Justin Cook-Warriors 15
Lincoln Tidwell-Warriors 5
Jim Porter-Empire 10
Ted Adams-Deamons 14
Lance Jensen-Orges 15
Jason Goad-Dwarfs 8
Keenan Mann-High Elves 6
Josh O-Orcs 7
Joe O-Skaven 7
Kevin Burkowski-High Elves 7
Liz Hellwig-Orcs 4
Bill Goodrck-Wood Elf 13
Trevor Sesvold-Skaven 8
Martin Ryder-Dark Elves 11
Hutton-Wood Elves 6
Steve Schaffer-Vampire Counts 7
Dave Oue-Lizardmen 14
Travis Weyforth-Lizardmen 12
Alex Schmid_Vampire Counts 9
Greg Appel-Dark Elves 6
Matt Reichert-Dark Elves 7
John Reinhard-Warriors 15
Mike Ludwig-Skaven 15
Brent Donahue-Deamons 6
Matt Lorah-Warriors 15

~Brian

Good Times. 28 Fantasy players. I like it.



Gotta get painting.

Orcs won?!?!??!! No Daemons made the top 10?!!

Hell hath frozen over.

Yeah well I played an all goblin army

Skarnick and Gobbla
BSB makes night Goblins stubborn
2 lvl 2 mages so I got 6 power dice per turn
4 units of night gobbos 2 spears 2 archers
Lots of fanatics haha
8 bolts
2 giants
bunch of other junk too but that is the bulk

But I really only won cause I rolled like a champ. I litterly rolled 6's and 5's for every d3 wound roll and it was not good for the guys I played one guy played a throgg troll army and another played skaven and the hell pits and furnace dropped quick because of the way I was rolling.

And the last guy had self destruct mode on and miss cast 3 times in a row with the same guy, and total misscast 5 times the whole game 3 of which were only on two dice.

But all three of my battles were against top tier guys. They all were great players but the dice were on my side.

So like I always say, I don't care how good you are at the game, if you roll bad you roll bad!!!

Vaammppiirreess RAWR

For anyone interested, i came in 2nd. Here was my list

Vampire Lord-
Lvl4, Know all spells, flying, Helm, Book, Scroll

Vampire- steed, Redfury, Balefire Spike, periphat, nightshroud

Vampire- BSB, walking death, hatred, sword of might, flayeed haubruk, lynci

Necro- 2 Stones

2x17 Ghouls- Champs

20 Skeletons- champ,std, warbanner

5 wolves
5 wolves
5 wolves

6 Black knights, musc, std, hatred banner

5 wraiths
Black Coach


Game 1- Vs Lance ogres
Turn 1 Lance moves and his whole army up. I move my wraiths infront of skragg, he has to charge because of frenzy, but he cant hurt wraiths. wraiths break him, cause some panics. From there magic charges start picking apart other units.

His big irong guts w/ bruiser get hit in flank by a magic charge, black coach cascades in, they die. Maneaters fail first stubborn die to a flank charge.

turn 4 (i want my cheeseburger!) all lance has left is 3 gorgers vs me 20 skeles. Next two turns i bring in the coach+BsB+ red fury vamp to finish them off and clear the board.

Game 2- Joe Nuth
joe had a pretty ram it in your face WOC with Kholiec, 2 exalted in 2 6 man knight units then some other scrap.

Turn 1 Joe movesup fast

My turn 1 i bait the khorne knights to get flanked by my Black knnights+ redfury vamp
I destroy 1 unit of knights with Forge.

turn 2 joe charges some things

turn 2- i kill joe's sorcerer, flank his lone exalted with ghouls+bsb, magic charge kholic with skeles, and flank his other knights.

No one runs

Eventually wraiths come back rear shrine whose figting the skeles as well. I break both kholic and shirne, catch both. Exalted dies to bsb affter 3-4 rounds of not breaking. Some maurders die to coach.

My flanking Black knights + Vamp, get flanked (only did 1 wound on charge) they eventually died. But the coach comes in and finishes off the knights with some magic support.

Game3- I play my roomate (he came third)
We both know each other well and he is really the only person i was scared to face.

Some dancing around happens, he gets some breaks as do it. In the end its almost a straight tie.

Overall had fun. thanks joe and lance for good games

Scooter, IC members and tournament players;

I really enjoyed playing this weekend, it was nice to see such a good turnout by all players.

It was a well run tournament and the food was FABULOUS!!!!!!

All of my opponents were fun to play and the games were a challenge.

My thanks to Dave Oue playing a wonderfully painted Lizardmen army; Josh Austin playing Warriors of Chaos which I am sure that he will not let his giant get charged by a steam tank ever again! My final opponent Ted Adams playing Nurgle Demons; he claimed that his dice while having average to poor rolling in 2 games got really hot in game 3! He made saving throw after saving throw....incredible! Fun game and it wound up in a draw by 7 points!

At the end of the day 1 win and 2 draws is a good day, just need to get more games in!

Thanks again guys and I look forward to attending another tournament you host real soon.

Regards,

Jim

Would you all like to see scenarios in the next tournament or try the same set up again?

i think 1 scenario of the 3 rounds would be good.

So the same guy won both the fantasy and the 40k Roll them bones?

yes pretty funny he only won cause i waasn't playing muhaaaa muhaaaa muhaaaa

I like how the top 5 are all different armies, then 6-10, all Warriors of Chaos.

haha ok scooter next time ill play you haha and I liked the tournament the way it was no changes needed to be made in my opinion

Changes I'd make-

Scenarios- I liked all pitched battles

Secondary points-

Id take these away.

first off, you already have a massacre scoring system so people are fighting to do as much damage as possible. Why do we need to table someone? it really is unfair in some matchups to expect someone to clear every model off the board. This coming from the guy who tabled 2 people.

The TQ one, again i understand you dont want people to min core. but to armies like HE who struggle enough with 2 core choices, now you want them to take 4? and keep them all about 1/2 strength and contest? its 1/6 the max points and some armies are way way way better at doing it then others.

The spread becomes way to big in my opinion.

The bonus things were cute, but I personally couldn't get 1/2 of them since VC have 1 shooting unit and never have Ld checks (barring general dying). perhaps my fault for taking VC, but some were just randomly dumb.

So, for next time here are some suggestions.

Massacre System with 3-5 bonus points (perhaps have an objective in middle worth no VP but extra battle points if you control) maybe a few objective points like control the oppnonets TQ for 1 battle point etc. This creates a little bit of spread.

Painting- 1-10 have a judge score every army. Not opponents since people are too nice/ harsh depending on if they win. Also factor this into overall since there were armies 90% undone, using models from other armies etc.

Comp- Dont really care bout this. there were some heinous/boring armies there. Off top of my head, 2 dragon 4rbt HE, 8bt 2 giant 9 fantatic orcs, 2 double abom skaven. If you want people to bring better lists dont allow Special characters, and have a comp score (though idk how this would get factored in)

Overall- I had a lot of fun. But talking to a couple buddies they said that the type of lists that showed up and the fact that 80% of people had incomplete armies(using other armies models) would stop them from coming back next time. it would stop me too if i didnt live only 30 mins away.

I think 80% might be stretching it a bit, the only proxy that I remember seeing was Josh's boltthrowers.

But overall that whole issue goes away once the IC tournaments switch to fully painted & based. (I'm assuming a painted & based proxy still violates that)

Other than maybe a few clarifications in the rules (not really a problem after the first round) I think it worked out pretty well. Was nice to have a tournament where nobody got screwed by a dumb scenario.
The idea of having one scenario the entire tournament is interesting, something fairly neutral like objectives or the traitor one perhaps.

Cool thanks guys most of your thoughts will be applied in our next fantasy tournament.
And Yes fully painted fully based means no proxys.

Man Scoot, look what happens when we aren't there throwing monkey wrenches into the works, some guy cleans house.

Next 40k tournament aim for a date I can actually attend

we hold most of our tournaments on the 2nd weekend of every month

Question about proxy's

Does that mean that john who used his rat ogres as trolls would not be allowed to play???
That is a proxy and that would be wrong to not allow him to play with that awesome army.

I think people should be able to proxy models if it fits into the theme of the army, espically with the new skaven because some of the models have to be made, so if someone wanted to use a plague catapault I don't see why they couldnt use a tomb king one as long as they have skaven plague monks for the crew then I don't think that should matter.

Same thing goes for blood knights for VC.

So yeah what would be the verdict on those things?

I also think that there should be a comp score but only for a real big tournament. Because its fun to play crazy armies with special characters and all that stuff. I don't play warhammer any other time but the tournaments and so I don't get to try that stuff out. If it was a GT or a Top tier players tournament then yeah do the comp otherwise I would just let people play their lists however they want.

But I did read something real cool the way a tournament was done and it was something along the lines of this,

2999 point battle
No speicial characters
No repeats of Rare choices
No repeats of Special choices
Only 10 power dice max
Bound items count as power dice (power 3 = 1) (power > 3 = 2)

That that was cool maybe we could try something like that,

But once again I had a good time the way it was and wouldn't change anything.

Well there is an obvious difference between conversions and proxies. I used chaos knights as my blood/black knights and based them like my army etc etc. You just took 4-5 different RBTs from other people and put some gobbos behind them as crew. That is a proxy.

Scooter, thanks for having us

Feedback I would give

Closed list is a huge problem, especially since you guys didn't go over each list with allot of time, to see if there were errors. Also there is no way to know if you opponent is being honest about the list they are running. I know you think fantasy should be closed list but there is a reason why the gt's don't do that any longer.

As far as the proxy thing goes I hope it gets resolved when you guys go to all painted and based.

I really also think you need to get away from player judged paint, it just isn't an accurate way to judge the best painted army.

Overall I had fun

Just my thoughts


Mike Ludwig
Vp BigGunz NE

sounds like Sergum needs a hug. Remember what Ricky Bobby says....

BTW - I think it's bad ass that Orks & Gobs took first over good Vamp, Dark Elf and Lizardmen lists.

The truth is i think the list you took is insulting to the game and to your opponents who came to have fun. I know personally (and he wont say it here) Ludwig was really upset he drove 3 hours to play your list. Luckily i have been to the bunker enough to realize that its just the norm, and I have to roll with it. I will say i wish i would have gotten to play you for the tourny win since i felt as if i would have rolled that army.

In the end, im a GT player, call me hardcore, or whatever, but thats the standard i compare even the smallest RTT's too. If Scooter wants to make the tourny better and get people from far away to come back (like Ludwig) then following some of my suggestions is a good idea.

Well it is a game!!! If you take it to seriously then you will get upset, thats why you shouldnt!!! I don't see how anything that happens in a game!!! Can be insulting.

And it is a bummer that he had to drive three hours but it happens. It sucks there are not GW's everywhere so that everyone only has to travel 30min to go play, but anyways, I had fun battling him, I beat him but it was actually a lot closer then the results showed.

And maybe you should have played me for the win, but to bad your just so good you and your buddy had so many more points and had to play by the swiss rules that you didn't.

But I think you should stop crying about it and maybe next time just win all three of your games, and you wouldnt have this problem again regardless of what lists other people bring.

Its a game, i play to have fun but also to win. your list.... is not fun... to anyone but you. I spoke to all 3 of your opponents all of them hated your army. Hell you cheated your first game which might have gotten you the win.

And i am that good, infact it took me and my roomate playing each other to take ourselves out of the top spot. Barring that, i say we both go 3-0 and come 1st 2nd easily.

I dont want to get into a big argument about this. If i was that upset about bunker tournaments i'd never come back after the first couple. Its close, with good prizes, its just not the "type" of tournament thats my fav. (i like no SC, and no retarded armies)

As i said, the suggestions to make it better would go a long way, andI look forward to the next one.

One comment i never got in before- the food was a great idea... i wish i could have won some free stuff with those missions.

Cheating and miss interpurting things are two way differnt things. I don't cheat, cause I dont care enough to cheat.

And I know the people that you played to win, and they were not tough armies to play against so don't think your that good.

And your still crying about everything haha

And the funniest thing about the army that I played, not a single person would have complained if I would have lost every single battle so keep that in mind

I don't need to win Bunker tournys to prove im good. I got Gt wins for that

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Ordo_Malleus/index.php?s=7399e3c15c5cc0e41fb23d7e449bd944&showtopic=1344

http://www.crossroads-gt.com/2008results.html

http://www.crossroads-gt.com/2009results.html

If only there was some kind of contest that you two could engage in that could be used to settle the argument...

hahaha very true very true if only

and its luck not skill buddy I don't care how much you know the game if you roll ones the whole time you loose!!!

I guess I should take my dice to Vegas then

Craps is a quick money maker

I prefer black jack, never tried craps.... i feel like warhammer has just been preparing me for it though.

Craps is hard to get away from once you start playing even if you start loosing that is the only downside haha

Black jack eats you up... you can do like 10 hands in 3 minutes.. then your out of money... boy i miss that $80

I watch my buddy play black jack and he won 2 grand in like an hour playing.

I'm glad to see O&G take the win. I drove three hours to get there too and wish I could have had a go against it, I would have laughed and enjoyed watching my warriors die horribly to maniac, ball and chain wielding fanatics

Grats on the win

thanks man glad you had fun

I'm glad to see you to love each other now that were getting kind of soapish. In our coming up tournament were going to be trying something new. I would like both of you to play in it round 2 as long as both of you have a win in the first round your playing each other. No special characters no proxies fully painted fully based. Comp tournament. I'll be playing in it as well. I fill that we need this fantasy tournament to get things going down here i think your all going to like this very much so have fun and kill things.

I'll be posting the date and the rules for this very soon.

ok sweet sounds good to me