Dec 12 at G&S
32 man 40k tournament 1850 3 rounds
5 dollars at the door all the money goes towards the prizes.
Prizes for 1st 2nd and best painted army.

The tournament starts at 11:00 am Dice will start at 11:30am
Each round will last 2hours and 15min. a break between games of 45min.
Each table will have 5 objectives on it. 1 In the middle and 4 others in each table quarter.
Each player must pick 5 kill points from their opponents list before Each game starts.
Each player will be given a secret mission in each game. If you reach this objective call over a judge and they will mark you down for it.
You will also be given a sheet with other secondary missions to reach. You are allowed to obtain 2 of these missions a game.
All games will be 12 inch deployment. Standard turns and rules no special scenarios.
No Comp restrictions, standard force org, all GW legal codeci (inc. Blood Angels).

Scoring:
20 points for a win, 15 for a tie, 10 for a loss, extra points to be awarded as described above up to 5 per game.
Painting scores are not added into your final score, sportsmanship however is.

Play nice have fun and KILL everything.

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Players

Scooter, I know I looked at this before you sent it, but I was on my blackberry and missed a few things. I assume you're trying to make this like the mission you and I have talked about a couple times and that we used for out mini-tourney on the 10th. If so, there are a couple changes which I've put below. If you meant to make the change on the kill points thing let me know

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Each table will have 5 objectives on it. 1 In the middle and 4 others in each table QUARTER.

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Each player must pick 5 kill points from their opponent's army list before each game starts.

Fixed

The secret mission thing should be cool.

I'll make the changes

But how do I sign up to KILL everything?

-Mike

how do we get in the tournament???

I'll put a sign up sheet on the main posting. Mike and Josh you both in right?

If any of you would like to register for this event please make sure you do on the inner circle forum posting for the tournament. http://icgc.users-board.net/tournaments-f11/dec-12-1850-gs-t164.htm gives me your name and army you’re playing.

I would like to play in this tournament.

Name scooter
army Sisters of battle

JUST an example i don't want you all to be to scared to play in it and DIE

I'm entering my bugs!

Jason Sadilek
Tyranids

-Jason

Where is the sign up, or do we just post it in this thread. If so I'm entering my Blood Angels, Chuck Clynes

Daemons!! Beware!!

Alex Weidelr
Chaos Daemons

yes please post your name and what army you are playing. There is only 32 slots for this first come first serve. good luck everyone.

brent ultra, what

Joe Neet w/ Orks (Nob Bikers!!)

Scooter. Who is running the tournament? I.e. Which of us isn't going to be able to play? I can volunteer to do it, but we'll probably need at least 1-2 other people.

i'm going to run it but i could use 4 to 5 other people. play in it i got people to help me.

you signed up to play though I thought? or was that just a sample? you can't play and run it at the same time.

Once we get that sorted, if I do play I'll bring Eldar or Marines probably.

that was an example i think we should start to push sign ups for our tournaments on our web site.

Ah. Well that's okay then.

Hey Scooter, Sign brendan up as well he is going to play Space Wolves

I'll be attending with my Imperial Guard

Matthew LeBaron
Imperial Guard

I think I'll give this one a shot.
Orks, as per usual.

One Change to the tournament if you are playing against an army that can combat squad a unit. You must pick witch combat squad is your kill point.

Yes this means you need to ask your opponent if he is going to combat squad his drops. If so pick one squad you do not have to kill both. If any of you have any questions please feel free to ask.

is this at the bunker.......ill play if it is

G&S = Games (& Comics) & Stuff

With 4 rounds and 32 participants, it is possible that there could be a tie for first, with both players at 4-0, having never faced each other.

What tie-breakers are going to be used?

-Mike

Tie Breakers seem to be Sportsmanship, secondary objectives, & secret objectives.

It's pretty tough to have two people completely max out on all of the above.

We'll have to look at that. I'm inclined to use sum of opponent's scores to see who had harder matches.

3 rounds like this it's even more likely. We definitely won't use soft scores to tie break since that would defeat the point. There are separate prizes for that I think anyway.

An alternative that would allow us to use 3 rounds is to use accelerated swiss, where the top half of the players get credited a free win at the start to separate the packs better. Unfortunately that doesn't really work when there's no agreed upon, transparent ranking pre-tournament. (you could arguably do it in fantasy on the basis of armies but not in 40k without some kind of evil comp score crap which we don't want to do.)

Mike, the issue you're commenting on is much more prevalent in a scoring system with only 3 possible outcomes (win-loss-tie) where the scores are (1-0-.5). In this tournament, where there are a lot of other possible outcomes on the basis of secret objectives you're less likely to have that happen.

Agree i really don't think were going to have a tie we will see

Thinking it is unlikely does not mean it will not occur.
If we don't work out a system beforehand and a tie occurs, it makes us look rather stupid.
I would like to avoid that, no matter how unlikely anyone perceives it to be.
Who is the T.O. for this anyways? Scooter?

-Mike

me right now but i don't know if mike is going to help

we have win lose or draw for our points also mission objectives you can get 3 of them a game extra 9 points total. sportsman ship will ithere be added to your final score or used as a tie breaker i don't know yet.

I should be there this time.

Matt Stanley
Undecided army.

Ill go and use my space wolves. James Rome

Let's open it up for suggestions too, I'd like to have a whole bunch more.

Also, did you want me to write up the whole structure?

i already did do you want me to email it to you if so PM me with your email adress I'll send it to you

That seems like a lot of tracking and book keeping for not only he judges but for the players.

I wouldnt want to have to keep all that in mind while playing the game. I like having extra objectives in games, but not more then like 2 or 3.

That my 2 cents

You'd only have access to 3-4 at a time. At the beginning of every game you'd be handed 3-4 flashcards/notecards with the bonus point objectives for your army for that round (randomly drawn).

The hope would be that with enough bonus points in the pool of possibles you'd get maybe 1-2 each game that you could accomplish.

What we don't want to have is a set up where some army (say, an assault army) is able to get 3-4 extra points a round just because they're assaulty and a shooty army can never score bonus points.

Ideally, as in any tournament, the goal is to have fun, but also to ensure that the most competent (on that day anyway) player walks away with the win. These bonus points seem like a good way to do that without distracting from real objectives or favoring one army over another. To that end, put up your ideas for goofy fun things to accomplish, or to see happen. They can be entirely luck based too (like failing leadership on double 6s) they don't have to be 'objectives' in the sense that they're something you actively play for scoring.

Or you give the player this handout and say to them you can only get 3 a game. So that player has all 3 games to complete 9 of these objectives. This idea came from a tournament I played in for fantasy. It was a really cool way of shaking up a game. It really made me think of what I should do next whether I should charge this unit in or that one. I think if you give the player the entire sheet right away that will force them to spread out the really easy one for their army and the not so easy ones. Just a thought but that’s how I was going to do it. Flash cards just add more work and more things to keep track of if you have players turn in the sheet at the end of the tournament it's allot easier.

The purpose of these side objectives is to make sure that there is not a tie at the end. We are also trying to make the tournament more enjoyable for the players playing in it.

Pierre Daze, Eldar

i just talked to kaleb he will be there selling food and dice if there is anything you would like to see there please let us know.

MORE PORK!!

He ran out last time and it was like a million voices were silenced all at once.

On the objectives:

If people have the whole list each game they'll just do the three that are easiest for their army everytime, and good players will just end up with +9 points at the end of the tournament, not meaningfully breaking ties. I agree that it's a good way to spice it up, but you also don't want to make it to easy for people to just cherry pick their bonus points, or it won't accomplish anything. Just my opinion.

You can only do each one once the player you’re playing against when you achieve the objective most sign off on it. I've looked at the objectives it's going to be hard for a person to get 9 of them unless there playing a balanced army. You can't pick the same 3 each time.

Another idea could be is to make cards with three of the objectives on them that are delt out randomly before each game. But mix up the objectives. Each card would have one objective that is one ideal for shooting armies the second ideal for close quarters armies and the third would be "other". This way it would be one easy objective, one medium difficult objective, and one hard objective.

-Jason

The big problem with that is say I'm playing in the tournament and at random I get one objective were I have to kill 3 tanks in 1 round of shooting. The only problem is the player I'm playing against has no tanks. Then there is no way for me to max out extra points.

I've played with the extra objective idea already trust me when I say it isn't easy to get all the objectives I really think if you give people a limit on only getting 3 objectives a turn. They will have figure out which ones they can do.

The goal of this is just to put an extra spin on the tournament, accidently handicapping someone even thou not on purpose is the biggest problem with scenarios. This is one of the reasons I like this tournament were running. Everyone on paper is on an even playing field random objectives that an army might not be able to meet is the same thing as a poorly writhen scenario. I would really like to stay away from such an idea. IF we can.

I don't really have a problem with your way of doing it. You can only score 3 a game, and you can't score the same one twice in the tournament. That's not too unbalanced I don't think. It'll be interesting to see which ones people go for then, though it may not end up as a useful tie-break it should add some fun randomness to the game without overpowering the actual balanced scenario.